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Supra from
Kennedy Composites
Empty weight 1334g (detail
weights), flying weight 1830g
Equipped with
Volz servos,
JR 770 Rx, 4xAA battery
This page is copy from
Jojo's diary
DAY .. 26.september 2007
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Supra electric
After a long wait I have finally got an electric
Supra in the air. I have been waiting for this because it is a light F3J
model and we all know that a top F3J model is a good thermal model. The
electric Supra is very similar to the sailplane version but Vladimir
have reinforced the rudder so it can hold both rudder and elevator servo.
I even installed a 12mm servo for the elevator but had to shave it down
a bit. With a 10mm servo I could have gone internal and out the front
rudder for the elevator and would be nicer. The wires goes inside the
boom and since I used a glassfiber wing I installed the antenna inside
the midsection. The Rx (SMC-14/R770) and 4x900mah AAA Rx-pack is just
under the wing and fitted nicely. I have two motor setup's I want to
test and first out was my "old" but top of the notch 42-60 Kontronik
motor. It has currently been in my Organic 2,5m and powered with
8xGP2000 cells. All up weight was 2235g and I fitted a 18x11 prop. The
setup can take a bigger prop but I had another thing going. First flight
was with the 8xGP2000 and I had a nice flight with 60-70 degrees climb
and what was I expected. The model could take the weight nicely and as
expected I needed to adjust the CG a tiny bit forward of my usual
rearward position. Next up was my new cells... I have some A123 cells
and had put together 4 of them to form a long pack that can go into any
round fuse. The Supra fuse can easily take sub-C cells in two rows but
the
A123 cells (4x70g) opens up to put lots of voltage in a long pack.
According to the manufacturer it can take 80A continuous and 120A in
peak so that's why I had the smaller 18x11 on. I use well above 100A on
this setup and with 4 cells (3,6v/cell=14,4v) I get a real punch. I did
not measure amps since this is different in the air anyhow. What is cool
with these cells is really not the data I have just mentioned. It is the
possibility to charge REALLY fast. They are designed to be charged at "typical"
10A!!! I flew 2 flights with the A123 pack and after the first one
(1-2min flying after each climb) the pack was slightly warm but was set
on charge right away. After 15minutes is was ready again. This is not
possible with my other cells. Normally I have to cool the cells down and
best wait until the next day. Some might say that why not use Lipo? Well
I wanted something I could trust and charge fast yet also be fairly
light. The A123 cells are rated to survive more than 1000 charge cycles
and will not explode in my face.
Conclusion is that I got what I wanted. A fairly light model (just like
a moderate ballasted Supra) with a high power setup that flies nice and
can be flown anywhere.


DAY ..
18.april 2006-
Supra
- It arrived!!!!! My new model that will be a good test
against the Perfect is the Supra. The model is designed in USA
but is built by Vladimir Gavrilko in Ukraine. So my model was sent directly
from Ukraine to me in Norway in a wooden box as all
shipments from Vladimir.
Opening of the box reveals the goodies off course and what I
found pleased me so far. Very little paint (as I want a
competition model to be), all hardware included, lots of
cool functional details and very light yet seems stiff where
needed. First thing I looked at was inside the midsection. I
wanted to check the spar... YES! they used the famous
Vladimir spar that is wrapped in kevlar like the built up
Graphite's/Organic. This is what I wanted to see and gives
me confidence that it will not break. Off course I needed to
put it together to get a view on how it looks. It comes with
3 different joiners. 0, 3 and 6 degrees I think. Just
feeling the CG with nothing installed revealed that it would
probably not need much lead. And with an empty weight of
only 1340g + hardware it looks promising. I must say that
like many F3J/B/F models around it is only sexy in some
parts and ugly in others. But there are some sexy details on
the Supra. I LOVE the pod. It is not only nice to see a
shoulder wing again but also it should be very easy to throw
this model with one hand. The elevator and rudder features
light balsa and is both light and seems stiff enough (yes
good old light balsa does the trick). The name Supra on the
wingsection is also something I like with carbon showing
thru the txt. I am waiting for some special pushrods from
Kennedy. Otherwise I think I would be finished tomorrow...
So did I find any bad points? I always find something to say
if it the coffee I drink or the traffic not going smooth...
The Supra might have stiffer tips I think but that would
probably result in heavier model and less turning
performance. I also found small faults in the paint but I
will NEVER be able to produce something near this even with
time and equipment. Dont think many other producers are near
this either. And last since the model is so ready and nice
it could be a point that the guiding of the pushrods in the
fuse and boom was ready. There should also be a ready hole
in the midsection for the wing connector. Small stuff as you
see.

Left: Screwing in the horn is childs play. Right: 90 degree flap is
possible I think
Left: If one wraps the frames in kevlar thread one can just of the
kevlar and remove the frame.
Right: I glue in frame with servo in. But I use one layer of clear
packing tape on the servo.

Left: Check those servo horns BEFORE you glue in the servo. Right: Press
a bit to set it properly

Rubbing the bedding for the servo is important. Right: Picture shows
spar wrapped in kevlar

On the ailerons I use heat shrink on the servos.
Right: As a funny one I received some good glue from Philip in Istanbul.
Use goos stuff!!

When the winghalves are joined there might be a tiny difference. This is
corrected with a "standing knife".
Right: Just had to put the parts together.

Neat details: The elevator screw is flush. Right: Also the bed under is
flush.
DAY ..
21.april 2006 -
Supra
- It is flown!! The Supra has been in
the air in Europe! I finished up the fuse this morning with
the stock pushrods even though some teflon tubes are
somewhere between here and US. I will probably save a few
more grams I think. I installed the tubes outside since I
would rather have a perfect elevator neutral then a sloppy
inside thing. For now I have just taped them in place since
they will be replaced. I have not glued the ballast tube in
either. Remember one thing: Do not glue in the tube before
you have installed the tow hook... The installation I did in
the cone became pretty cool. The Rx is under the servos so
all is flush and nice. I can also use long solid ballast and
even not install the ballast tube at all. This because the
servos are not in the way. You got to love Volz for having
lugs for both upright and flat installation. A small fancy
screw system will be made I think to secure the ballast.
Without the ballast tube installed I can save 30-40g. With
the recommended CG at 91,5mm I ended up on 1909g with the
ballast tube in. I will hopefully save even more with
lighter teflon tubes and maybe a Hoopes wiring system. I did
some other stuff that is not completely conventional. My
antenna is routed thru the 9 pin plug in the wing and is
routed in a "V" two ways (see
picture). This way I don't need to have it outside the
model. Remember this is NOT possible with a carbon wing. I
also did a "L" instead of links for elevator and rudder. I
used a 1mm iron wire and secured it with CA and shrinking
tube. Be sure to do this right if you copy... A loose
elevator is dangerous. One can also wrap with kevlar thread.
My rudder is also made detachable. I squeezed it on the boom
and had to cut a few millimetres of the boom because of
this. Then I made two set screws on the underside. A total
of 0,6g instead of glue resulting in a detachable rudder ;-)
Now over to the flights! It was mid-day and sunny but no
thermals seemed to be working the air. It was almost dead
quiet on the ice with only a small breeze from the left.
First I had 3 hand throws just to get the elevator neutral
in all phases. I normally also check the launch settings
like this. Most models will fly in launch settings. It
should not go hard up or down when the setting is applied. I
started with something almost similar to the Drela settings.
There is one very important issue here. The wing is made
with speed setting so when all is in neutral this is speed.
So for normal flying you drop the trailing edge 2mm. Next
setting is 5mm. I did not pay too much attention to Drela's
settings as I want to figure some things out myself. But I
started with his CG and looked with half an eye on the rest
of the settings. The first launch went ok but I think there
is a lot to work on here to get the right launch camber.
Altitude was ok but it was a bit on its tail "dragging". I
had 7 launches all with different settings and hook
placements but still need more time. The wing was sometimes
bending quite a bit. Launch conditions were not super but
ok. I used 150m to the turnaround, an F3B winch and some
1,35mm line. The last launch were "F3B style" 90 degrees to
the side and up against the wind that picked up slightly for
the last flight (only 1-2m/s). I found that the handling of
the Supra is scary equal to the Pike Perfect. It is much
slower but turns just as easy with little effort. Since the
conditions were very calm and I wanted to see the "hands
off" flying I needed to go from the 2,5 to the 5 degree
joiners. With 2,5 degrees it turned a bit too much on its
own. This was better with 5 degrees joiners. The floating
abilities seemed to be good but I was not covering as much
ground as with the Perfect and did not get feedback on the
air. I also did not like that it had a little low tail and
did not fly well with much camber. I had one "reference
flight" with the Perfect just to feel the air. Times were in
the 7-8min range mostly and better at lower altitude because
one can see the flight pattern better off course. So in the
last 2 flights I took out a 22g lead I had easy access too
and was now at apx 97-98mm CG. The conditions now had
changed to a bit more differences and downwind launches. The model now felt much better and I
could now switch back and forth with small/big camber and
get the feel for the air I am was flying in. If this is a
good setting in more active conditions is yet to be seen
off course. But the small positive air could now be worked.
Logs of todays flights HERE
So did I find faults? There was one other issue they can
work a little on. The joiners were fitting ok up/down but
sideways there was some slop on almost all my joiners (the
model comes with 0, 2,5 and 5 degree joiners. Cool!). So I will
have some glue on the sides of the joiners and try to sand
them into fitting better. There were also some
strange crack in one tip
joiner box. This might happen when the moulds are pressed together with
a slight miss on joiner end. This is barely visible when you take a look
at a new model. But when installing one see these things.
All in all a very successful first day on a new model I must
say. It performed right out of the box and is definitively a
model that can perform in light conditions. Stand by for
windy conditions ;-)
Left: Neat installation if I must say so...

Left: 9 pin plug and right "half z-bend"

On the ice with my JR9303

Planform is kind of similar to the Pike Perfect

DAY ..
22.april 2006 - LSF in Skien
- I discovered that the club
Vingen
had an LSF competition today so I woke up early and thought
"what the h..." I can fly LSF today and drive to the club
Cirrus
for 3x12 electro tomorrow. The competition did not start
before 12:00 so I had good to even have a testflight before
round 1. LSF here is 3x7min and one of the rounds can be
10min. This means one only have 4 minutes to fly in the last
round. First round I was the only one with 10minutes and the
rest of the guys had 4-6min. The conditions were tricky with
90 degree sidewind in the launch and not too much thermals.
But that changed in the next rounds any the times got
better. In the 2nd round I had a mishap with my Supra so I
was allowed to switch to the Pike Perfect. I landed 0-1m
every time but lost the competition because I landed 2
seconds to early in the last one. Erik Morgan Villadsen won
(well deserved) with me on second and Egil Roland on third.
I think we were 9 pilots competing. We had 4 winches set up
with 180-190m to the turnaround and all with 1,15mm line.
There were no line brakes during the day but in the last
rounds I had to be a little bit careful on the settings and
I did not go out to the side. We should probably have had
some thicker lines but nobody bothered to change the lines.
Thanks to Vingen for a nice event. The only thing I have to
complain about was that it was reminding me about Istanbul
(the ground was wet). My yellow boots came into action again
;-)
Logs and
logs zoom and
Detailed results on the
Vingen
website


DAY ..
25.april 2006
- A little windy and cold with 3-4m/s from the south. The
ice is not usable but I can stand on the beach with a
bungee. Today I tried some different CG's and different
camber. First I went to a slope on the beach and when I had
some nice altitude I flew out over the ice to get some good
measurements and feel for the different settings. I need to
measure without the wind to see what I found but it was
difficult to get altitude on the slope with too much forward
(Around the 91,5mm setting). It was also clear that it was
not stable that much forward. I needed more corrections than
further back! Opposite to what some think maybe..

DAY ..
24.april 2006
- It great weather outside but cant everyday can we? Well
anyhow today I did some work on my models. The Supra got new
pushrods from
Kennedy Composites that are a tiny but lighter and nice.
Etched Teflon tube with 1,5mm carbon rods were very easy to
install. They can be just laid on the boom (or inside) and a
drop of thin CA will make them stay there forever. It became
very stiff as I like it. Gluing inside fuse was not
necessary only by the servos and were they come out under
the pylon. Using these tubes inside the boom will also be
very easy gluing. But I dont want to weaken the boom were
they have to come out.
I also changed the aileron horns on my Giant today. 2mm
carbon is the stuff to get ;-) And while I was at it I made
20 horns more! |
Sexy fuse or poster? Carmen Electra makes it
difficult to build in the clubs workshop. |

DAY ..
27.april 2006
- No flying even though the weather was nice.. But I did
mount the ballast tube today and the way I did it is pretty
cool. I could save 40-50g by not installing it permanently
so I had to come up with a solution that was both easy and
rigid. I think I found it.
DAY ..
25.april 2006
- A little windy and cold with 3-4m/s from the south. The
ice is not usable but I can stand on the beach with a
bungee. Today I tried some different CG's and different
camber. First I went to a slope on the beach and when I had
some nice altitude I flew out over the ice to get some good
measurements and feel for the different settings. I need to
measure without the wind to see what I found but it was
difficult to get altitude on the slope with too much forward
(Around the 91,5mm setting). It was also clear that it was
not stable that much forward. I needed more corrections than
further back! Opposite to what some think maybe..

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DAY ..
5.may 2006 -
Supra
- I was keen on some early night flights (partly as I am
slow in the morning) and was hoping for calm conditions with no thermal
activity. I wanted to test different CG's so I tried 92, 95, 97, 100 and
102. Problem was it was not dead at all. Most flights showed a little
bit of ups and downs and even one time I climbed pretty good. I did not
like 92 and it was maybe a bit optimistic with 102mm but, but... All of
the tested CG's are easy to fly and the more back I had the CG the more
feedback I got on moving air. 102 is near similar to my Giant in
feedback and I think I will try further back also. For a steady flight
some probably want 92mm but that will give a lot of small stalls that
will need to be corrected. 92 is good straight ahead but turning just
slightly will make you loose power. So for these conditions a safe and
nice setup would be 95-97mm for most.




DAY ..
6.may 2006 -
Supra
- Sorry! Totally forgot to take pictures today! Had so much
fun on a local football field that is known as a windy place. It was
warm today with 21 celcius (70F) so lots of thermals passing thru this
place. It is placed in a tight valley so it gets pretty turbulent. So it
was a good test of CG, joiners and ballast. Took out the short histart (bungee
layed double and 20m line) and launched the Supra 11 times. I ended up
with the medium joiners, 96-97mm CG and sometimes with 400g of ballast
in. I also tested a little extra negative camber in those situations
that I needed badly to get home. The Supra responds well to handling
with ballast in though I offcourse could see the climb rate went a bit
down. First 5 flights was with the biggest dihedral joiners but it was a
bit too much in the turbulent air. It was smoother and more stable with
the medium joiners. Did not try the straight ones.
Logs HERE
DAY ..
7.may 2006 -
Supra
versus Perfect
- Late afternoon and it is hot to be this time of year. Used
my short bungee (30m layed double to 15m and 20m line). This
gives not an F3J launch but possibly a good 1-man tow with a
ok zoom. I flew both the Supra and the Perfect and found
what I have found before. The Supra can work very small
thermals and goes up as a feather. The Perfect also works
the small thermals well but its main weapon in these
conditions is that it covers more ground. But in these
conditions working "fiddling air" I must say the Supra is an
edge in front. It also launches a bit better in these
conditions. It actually was building power as it went up the
line though it was only slight headwind (1-2m/s). But for
stronger conditions I recommend a full carbon version. The
lightweight glasfiber Supra is only for weak conditions and
TD winching (tapping).

DAY ..
1.june 2006 -
Supra
- Going to Czech and Eurotour F3J in Podhorany this
weekend. Needed some finals adjustments on the Supra a small field
locally with a bungee was used for evening flights. Got 6 flights in and
all is looking well. Travelling very early tomorrow.


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